… how independent do I want to be if the cost of being pure independent is marginalized … And if the only way to intervene is to be assimilated, perhaps I should allow myself to be assimilated, if that’s the only way to work. Because you’ve got to deal with them, and that’s the line that the Underground has to take — that you stake your claim, artistically, which you try to do with as great a degree of independence as possible. But once you move out of the office, then you have got to deal with Thatcher’s real world, because otherwise no one’s going to hear your records, no one’s going to buy your fanzine, and your dream is to be like a little blip and you don’t want that to happen.